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17 October 2010 @ 11:05 pm
Thanks a lot, gaijin-haters  
In response to certain posts, and the fact that my journal has become a lot less interesting since I left Japan, it is highly possible that I will be cutting down my f-list significantly and locking everything.

Too little too late, I know. I could have kept more things private this whole time, but my ego drove me to be public about my adventures.

...And being closed up would just make more people accuse me of being an elitist Zuka snob. *ironic laugh*

Anyway. Sorry, folks. I promise to keep in touch with those of you to whom I still owe things until our business is done.

But seriously. I just do not need this post-Japan hurt right now.

Re: Yuki R&J cast... Whatever, Hankyuu, seriously what. ever.
Current Mood: blankblank
Es ist Zeit zu Leben.violet_tango on October 18th, 2010 06:13 am (UTC)
If you decide rather to not read my zuka posts, that would be fine with me, as I know we have very different points of view on many things, in that case I could put you only on my personal filter.
I want to keep reading your posts because they interest me, both zuka and personal things.

(And concerning japanese fans... I know enough people who proved me the opposite of what Elise wrote, plus there are idiots in any fandom. I'd say lock all your entries, and don't pay more attention to them. You're awesome, and you're definitely not an elitist Zuka snob. Absolutely definitely not.)
Julie: alice pinkwao_wao on October 24th, 2010 09:23 am (UTC)
I may not always have the same opinion as you, but that doesn't mean I don't respect and value your opinion ♥ We've known each other for too long for me to drop you from my list over something that obviously isn't even remotely your fault.

Anyway, still trying to decide about locking down everything or not...
michiru42: PGSM Dark Mercurymichiru42 on October 18th, 2010 06:15 am (UTC)
Agree on the R&J cast. >_<

On locking your journal, I'll miss you if you boot me, but you gotta do what you gotta do. *hugs* I hope you feel better, whatever you decide.
Julie: alice ayane heartwao_wao on October 24th, 2010 09:17 am (UTC)
I do feel better, and even if I cut down my friends list I don't think I could drop you :) ♥ I like hearing your opinions and value the discussions we've had on LJ ^_^
magenta07: tomu <3magenta07 on October 18th, 2010 06:34 am (UTC)
i agree with violet_tango, you don't come across as an elitist snob at all!
personally, i would love it if i could still read your entries, since i live in north america and don't speak japanese; therefore, these blogs are my only connection to zuka. but if you feel you must, i completely understand. it makes me sad that this is happening, though.

hope you're adjusting well to moving out of japan :)
Julie: alice windowwao_wao on October 24th, 2010 09:13 am (UTC)
Well, since everyone has been so supportive, I guess I can't completely shut down immediately ^^;;; Thank you for reading and enjoying my journal. It really means a lot that so many people commented saying nice things :) ♥
A fascination frantic in a ruin that's romantic: I Think I Like Sabrina Nowshirabyoshi on October 18th, 2010 06:41 am (UTC)
>hugs< Please don't get upset. Cowardly anonymous gossips aren't worth the expenditure of emotion.
Proactively Untwist Octagonal Hippopotamus Pants: takarazuka - mii-chan salutedramaturgca on October 18th, 2010 06:44 am (UTC)
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ayansaiayansai on October 18th, 2010 07:05 am (UTC)
Most definitely not a snob.

That's really too bad, I'll really miss going through your archives at 3:00 in the morning. *laughs*
Julie: alice pinkwao_wao on October 22nd, 2010 02:43 am (UTC)
*blushes* Gosh, if you were going through my archives you should've warned me with a comment or two... I'm sure they're hideously embarrassing, but thank you all the same ♥
Beth Winter: todesglocken - Hypnosbwinter on October 18th, 2010 07:43 am (UTC)
You're one of the most accessible of the "experienced fans", and your posts were invaluable in encouraging me to support the revue, especially the musumeyaku. I think the Japanese fans are very privileged in that they have access to experienced fans by just approaching them in the theatre - we have it much harder, scattered across the globe!

Here's hoping that both events and mood turn for you :)
Julie: alice windowwao_wao on October 22nd, 2010 02:51 am (UTC)
Thank you. It's hard, to have tried very much to be a "good" fan and at the same time be accessible to the fandom in general. No matter what nasty things a few anonymous people may say, it's encouraging to feel that I've been a positive influence on other fans ♥
quinquinquinquin on October 18th, 2010 07:50 am (UTC)
It would be a bit sad if you ended up locking down your journal because you've always given the impression of really liking to introduce new people to Takarazuka and to share the experience. But you should do what feels best for you.
As for the "haters" there will always be people whining about what other people do. You can never please them all and unfortunately they are very good at finding "weak spots" to attack.
Julie: alice ed disguisewao_wao on October 22nd, 2010 02:57 am (UTC)
What disturbs me is that these faceless internet creeps can't possibly know me well enough to specifically get at any "weak spots" of mine. But they do seem to know something -- I think we've taken for granted that Japanese fans don't bother with LJ and the English-speaking community, but my paranoid mind is starting to think at least a few have been "watching" us...
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3peanuts3peanuts on October 18th, 2010 09:23 am (UTC)
We've discussed the "lofty snob attitude" topic when we've met, so I'm not lingering on it. If people were a little more respectful of others (if not of rules), there wouldn't be any need for a "high level of self-protection that can so easily be mistaken for uptightedness" attitude.

As for me, I've experienced any kind of reaction from Japanese fans. I've simply stopped caring, considering I am lucky enough to belong to one of the most open and good spirited fanclubs.

I've learnt a lot reading your LJ and I must admit your adventures have always been a huge motivational factor, even in a "not very nice" way (3p's thoughts two years ago: "If a small Amerikaner can do it, then I can do it too. Even better!").

It would be quite a loss, but if you feel like booting me, feel free to.
Julie: alice ayane heartwao_wao on October 22nd, 2010 03:01 am (UTC)
I can't believe you would think I might cut you! Anyone who reads my real life journal is someone I trust :) It wouldn't make sense to drop you over something that you clearly had no part in ♥
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tsuki_in_sora on October 18th, 2010 10:09 am (UTC)
. . .

Screw 2ch-ers. Screw 8ch-ers. Screw them. Screw them. SCREW THEM.

I hope you'll still be an LJ user, though, and stick around and drop off messages, etc. I'll miss all the quirky chats we've had :( Of course I'll miss reading your entries too, but in the end it's your choice and I'll admit it's probably a wise one.
Julie: alice katherine cutewao_wao on October 22nd, 2010 03:05 am (UTC)
Even if I am falling behind on my friends list, I don't know if I'll ever be able to give up LJ completely. And I wish I could have another crazy comment-string with you, if only we hit upon the right subject... Actually, I think I owe you a message anyway...
Mori Shimonu: all these sweet nothingsflower_ballet on October 18th, 2010 10:42 am (UTC)
I can understand if you cut me, since we don't share a lot of likes within Zuka fandom, but I wanted to let you know that I've fully enjoyed following your journal until now and often felt that you provided a window for me into the Japanese fandom - even now when you're not actually in Japan.
Julie: alice pinkwao_wao on October 22nd, 2010 03:08 am (UTC)
That's very kind of you. I feel bad that I never comment on your journal, although I do usually read it... Anyway, I'm not making any rash decisions quite yet :)
Jencaithion on October 18th, 2010 12:31 pm (UTC)
*sigh* Everyone together has joined to make a lovely community, but the problem with being a community is that we stand out that much more.

I'm sorry people are so vicious. It makes me a bit ill. But I'm glad for all the people on that thread who also tried to talk sense into others; it gives me some hope for humanity.
palais: yuuhi: eyerollpalais on October 18th, 2010 12:41 pm (UTC)
Never a more appropriate time for this icon.
But I'm glad for all the people on that thread who also tried to talk sense into others; it gives me some hope for humanity.

Against my better judgment, I read through the thread as well, and have to echo this. 2ch is still a vile place, as is any anonymous board, but at least it seems foreigner-bashing is falling out of vogue. There will always be idiots, but I suppose all we can do is pity them and do our best to carry on with our own lives and pay them as little mind as we can.
Re: Never a more appropriate time for this icon. - wao_wao on October 24th, 2010 08:13 am (UTC) (Expand)
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Kya: godfatherpinkpapyrus on October 18th, 2010 01:56 pm (UTC)
I think you're spiffy, and people who are mean to you suck. ♥
可愛い女隊長さん: Maa-chan and Fuu-chan <3midoriseppen on October 18th, 2010 03:24 pm (UTC)
^ This this this.
(no subject) - wao_wao on October 22nd, 2010 03:09 am (UTC) (Expand)
cosmos14: joincosmos14 on October 18th, 2010 02:09 pm (UTC)
*pats pats* hope things will work out soon. :(
there are people like that in every fandom. but, what i think... Zuka fandom is a lot sensitive than the other fandoms i went to. :p

but, keep smiling. :)
Julie: alice pinkwao_wao on October 24th, 2010 08:15 am (UTC)
It's true, we are an extremely romantic and overly-sensitive bunch of people ^__^;;

Anyway, thank you :)
Katelyn: MO - Reflectionhappy_riceball on October 18th, 2010 02:26 pm (UTC)
I can't read the second link, and I don't have the heart to run it through a translator, but just knowing it's off an anonymous board broods bad things. I'm so sorry you read these things. Please, don't pay people like that any mind.

You are not, and have never come off, as some "elitist Zuka snob". You've always been friendly, kind, and exceedingly helpful. It's your choice to do whatever you would like with your blog, but I would love to read more from you and keep in touch, zuka or otherwise. ♥ *hugs*

Julie: alice ayane heartwao_wao on October 24th, 2010 08:19 am (UTC)
♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥

Well I can assure you I would never drop you from my list, because you are an even more sweet and friendly person than I am :-*

(I know I shouldn't read 2chan etc, but sometimes the horrible curiosity is overpowering >__<;;)
filante_saikou: kinnikimu = muscular kimufilante_saikou on October 18th, 2010 02:38 pm (UTC)
A lot has already been said in all of the comments, so I won't add to it. I will say that it was refreshing for me to read your journal, especially about musumeyaku ♥ And I do enjoy reading whatever posts you put, zuka or not. Haters in every fandom are always the most vocal, and that's never fun. But there are always that much more who aren't.

In any case, you always rock! ♥
Julie: alice hermia dekiruwao_wao on October 24th, 2010 08:24 am (UTC)
Haters in every fandom are always the most vocal

This should never be true. The thought of it only feeds my desire to bounce back in a positive way, because it's absolutely no fun to be negative. Thank you -- for that insight, and for your support in general :) ♥
utena1409: Wao/Mariutena1409 on October 18th, 2010 02:41 pm (UTC)
*hugs* Don't let some stupid anonymous comment ruin everything for you!! :/
I love your journal and I always loved that you were so open to newcomers and posted a lot unlocked, but I can understand that you want to lock everything now. :/
Julie: alice windowwao_wao on October 24th, 2010 08:31 am (UTC)
:( ♥ I never wanted to lock everything down, it's just that, this all makes me so paranoid, you know? What the average Japanese fan thinks is one thing, but people in fan clubs are a smaller niche and I just... I hate to think that I left a bad impression that will carry over to the next gaijin who wants to join a club. T___T;;;

Still -- I'm not sure what could ruin everything for me, but... This isn't it, not quite yet :) ♥
rachpenarachpena on October 18th, 2010 04:55 pm (UTC)
I've learned a lot about the actresses through your posts especially the musume. I learned to pay attention to the babies and who to watch for.
You were really patient with me in Japan hanging out with you at a tea party. I didn't understand 98% of what was said but you explained everything to me on the train ride back.
I guess I'm saying thanks and don't give up. You've influenced a whole host of foreign fans.
Julie: alice pinkwao_wao on October 24th, 2010 08:35 am (UTC)
Thank you. I'm a little bit overwhelmed, that my melodramatic post resulted in so many people saying nice things about me... *blushes*

Anyway, I guess I should say I was happy to help and spread the baby love :D ♥
Fyre: Touch of sinfyrie on October 18th, 2010 05:04 pm (UTC)
It really does depend on the fan, really. Some Japanese fans are so wonderful and kind and eager to throw their Sienne to the Gaijin and show her that she is loved all over the world. It's the same with any fan community - there will be people in it who think "those people" are doing it wrong, and others who couldn't be more welcoming and kind.
Julie: alice katherine shoulderswao_wao on October 24th, 2010 08:40 am (UTC)
It gets even more complicated when Japanese people are so sensitive about what should and shouldn't be on the internet, and Zuka fans have this mile-long list of unspoken rules besides... *sighs* The fandom is even more complex than the foreign community realizes, I think >.>
ruderal_speciesruderal_species on October 18th, 2010 05:07 pm (UTC)
You know my opinion on reading 2chan ever, for any reason. <----------------------------

I'm sorry this happened to you. Sometimes it's the price you pay for wearing your heart on your sleeve. It's the people who write nasty things about other people on anonymous boards who are the ones who should be feeling bad.

Lock what you feel you need to lock. You can always un-lock things later if you feel differently.

Maybe don't be too hasty about cutting your friendslist though? You may feel differently in a couple weeks once this has blown over a bit. <3
3peanuts: Seal3peanuts on October 18th, 2010 05:40 pm (UTC)
Sorry for commenting in such rude way. But I can't help it.
> Sometimes it's the price you pay for wearing your heart on your sleeve.
Ditto. On an existential level, I so darn agree!
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kirakira_sora: kissukirakira_sora on October 19th, 2010 12:36 am (UTC)
I wish I could have sheltered you from this. I wish, I wish. We have talked enough over the phone on this subject, but I will say again they are just horrible harpies.

My heart, I hope you feel better. *hug* I'm here for you always.
Julie: alice eriko combiwao_wao on October 24th, 2010 09:32 am (UTC)
♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥
My Lady Tongue: pissedomlteaufromage on October 19th, 2010 12:49 am (UTC)
Yes, because it's the gaijin fans who put all the personal birthdays of the actresses on the internet, and it's the gaijin fans who sell iride photos on Y!J, and it's the gaijin fans who yell at the actresses to turn around so that they can take pictures of them. Jerks.
Julie: alice windowwao_wao on October 24th, 2010 08:58 am (UTC)
*sighs* While all that is true, this particular bit of nastiness was directed at people in fan clubs. Who don't usually do the things you mentioned, although as the thread proved there are some hypocrites / rule-breakers out there... But after all that I strived to do right, I don't really like being equated with them :\
(no subject) - omlteaufromage on October 24th, 2010 06:25 pm (UTC) (Expand)
John: Moments Like Thesetokugawa on October 19th, 2010 01:10 am (UTC)

You and almost everyone I've met in the fandom has been very helpful to me and your posts/reviews are very interesting :).

In a time like this, one has to do what they have to do. Very sorry that things like this happen. It's really a sad thing to see really. Keep positive :D
Julie: alice pinkwao_wao on October 24th, 2010 09:00 am (UTC)
Thank you. I'm really glad that your experience in the fandom, at least, has been positive :) ♥
Mnightflight on October 19th, 2010 04:38 am (UTC)
Hey girl, you know I'm not even part of your fandom, but please don't let the 2ch get to you. They just dislike foreigners in any//all fandoms; there are entire threads, updated quite regularly, about Ash and I, and I think that the people who waste their time talking trash about us aren't worth a second thought. <3
Julie: alice samantha glarewao_wao on October 24th, 2010 09:31 am (UTC)
Actually I'd rather not categorically declare that "everyone there dislikes foreigners", as I've had plenty of evidence to the contrary... The issue here is really more about "rules" and people's perceptions of what constitutes "being a good fan" and all of that unspoken judgmental crap that goes on without anyone telling you that you might be doing something wrong. :\ Which is totally appropriate to rage about anonymously on the internet *rolls eyes*

Anyway, ♥ Miss you ♥ ♥ ♥
rouen81rouen81 on October 24th, 2010 04:00 am (UTC)
Everything has been said but I'd like to add that you are free to lock or unlock anything you write. How wonderful it would be if fans could jsut talk about the zuka we love and not let things like nationalites get in the way. Maybe they think Zuka is something only a Japanese will understand and they don't realize that beautiful music, song and dance are something humanity as a whole appreciates.
If you think your blog is boring you should see mine, not a single uodate since i opened it due to work = )
Julie: alice reimei generalwao_wao on October 24th, 2010 09:08 am (UTC)
Well I'm not sure how you ended up reading my journal, but thank you :) I think to some degree Japanese fans are just jealous when someone -- even another Japanese fan -- gets extra attention. It's not so much about sharing Takarazuka as sharing a 'sienne; people in fan clubs can get possessive, you know.

But anyway, even if I'm a little more careful about what i post publicly I probably won't lock everything down ^^
(no subject) - rouen81 on October 25th, 2010 12:19 am (UTC) (Expand)
anthy1306: inner thoughtanthy1306 on October 26th, 2010 09:07 pm (UTC)
Good Lord, I missed all the fun and most of the things, I wanted to say here, are said already.
So just the quick version:
1. you are not an elite-whatever. Otherwise, I wouldn't have landed up here X__X
2. We don't "know" each other for too long, but be assured, I read all your entries, positive and negative ones, with much interest and will miss them in the future, if you start to do, what you will decide to do.
3. there always have to be dumb people. Otherwise you wouldn't be able to see the nice and clever one's, such as you arAe (just my opinion from what I read in your journal the past few months. Who knows, what an ugly green creature you really are *GGGGG*) Dumb people die dumb. You cannot change them.

Oh, Julie. *big sigh*
I hope your wrists will get better someday ^^;
Let me leave one more "thank you for everything, you shared with us" before I leave for bed *hugs*