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16 December 2009 @ 12:46 am
This is what I really think.  
My heart sank when I heard the news.

Stupid Hankyu and its stupid "40 years old" rule preventing Yumiko from making top. Stupid company for not maneuvering people differently in order to allow her to become top.

I mean, if Yumiko had been transferred in to lead Soragumi I probably would have been just as bitter. But regardless, I think it's lame that Yuuhi got that honor that Yumiko didn't.

And I think it's SUPER lame that Chie made top but Yumiko won't.

It's not that I don't think Chie or Kimu should be tops. They're talented and I like both of them. I just think they could have been held in reserve longer.

Goddammit, so frustrated but also so close to deleting half of what I just wrote. I'm worried about becoming one of those people who can't give up the fandom but is too jaded to be pleasant about anything.

No. I won't be that person. Must focus on the sources of happy among the lower ranks, since the treatment of people near the top only makes me ache lately.
 
 
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anthy1306: have faithanthy1306 on December 15th, 2009 04:23 pm (UTC)
oh well, don't worry, you are SO NOT alone with your thoughts >____<
Especially the "Chie/Kimu" thing.
I am Happy Chie became Top after Touko, but Yumiko deserved that position so much....more....

Ok, seeing her in a total unfamiliar troupe, just to see her as topstar would not be better at all, but secretly I had wished, she would come back to Hanagumi, since Sou-chan really still has some time to grow. *grief*
KyaniteD / 藍晶石-D: Yumiko redkyanited on December 15th, 2009 04:30 pm (UTC)
The thing is that we'll never know what's going on behind the scenes. Who knows, Yumiko comes across as someone so sweet and friendly and cuddly that maybe she was happy to stay in a troupe where she just 'clicked' with the people around her. And she's getting a Sayonara show, which is as far as I know not common for nibante. I'm not sure if that's Hankyu honoring her or Hankyu appeasing the fans or Mizu making Hankyu give Yumiko her thanks or whatever.

The only thing I really regret is that Yumiko didn't get another lead after Silver Rose Chronicle.
Ms. Britt: [snuggle]ladybretagne on December 15th, 2009 05:32 pm (UTC)
I'm sad that we won't get to see what she would have done as top, because I think she would have been amazing not just as a performer but as a leader for the troupe. That being said, I am glad they're sending her off with some pomp and circumstance. At least it shows that someone somewhere in that big Hankyu hive mind understands that she's special and has a lot of fans who adore her.

And you know you're not the only one who thinks some of the younger ones should be given a bit more time to mature before being tossed into top stardom. Like you said, I think the little ones are less fraught with sources of upset lately.
Becca: kimu by alieumuffin_song on December 15th, 2009 06:37 pm (UTC)
*sigh* Unfortunately I think there is no "everyone wins" situation. It would be wonderful if everyone had a spot waiting for them when their own troupe needed them, but the timing rarely seems to work out like that. Kiriyan was lucky in that she's still young enough to become top of tsuki when there was a spot open. But in Yuuhi's case it involved transferring to another troupe, and in Yumiko's case she couldn't become top at all.

If Yumiko became top of hoshi, I'm sure the hoshi fans wuold be griping. Not because they have anything against Yumiko, but rather because "parachute tops" are often met with resistance"

That being said...yes, I do agree that Chie could have waited. And as much as I love Kimu I'd rather that she get more time to develop as nibante (for her own sake).

But as I said initially, I think there's no "everyone wins" scenario :/ And yes, the "must retire by 40 thing" is stupid :P

I'm worried about becoming one of those people who can't give up the fandom but is too jaded to be pleasant about anything.

As I recall you just spent a lot of time squeeing over shinko photos <3 For your own sake I would occasionally check in with yourself to make sure you're still having fun, since this hobby is waaaaay too expensive to be miserable. But from what I observe, even if things get you down, there's still a lot that makes you happy. (And remember, the babies need you! <3)
Toni D: [ANTM] Whit Worst Winnertonihime on December 15th, 2009 06:51 pm (UTC)
The road to becoming an anti-fan! I'd venture to say that about 80% of ANTM fans are really anti-fans. I dunno where I fall. Somewhere in the middle maybe... or a fan with anti-fan tendencies. Go ahead, be a little jaded. It's fun on the dark side. We have cookies! 8D
michiru42: Eddie Izzard Beesmichiru42 on December 15th, 2009 07:12 pm (UTC)
This is ridiculous. At least two top spots are probably going to be opening up this year--the management couldn't have held on to Yumiko until then? With the size of her fanclub, and the extent of her talent? Who else has the following and talent she does right now among the nibante?

I know the management has their rules about age, but if that really is why she's going, they're shooting themselves in the foot financially speaking. The only other one who seems ready is Tomu, but she can't fill two spots.

I just hope this is happening because Yumiko wants it to happen, and not because the management is being stupid.
lliri_blanclliri_blanc on December 15th, 2009 07:27 pm (UTC)
It's happening because the actors can read the tea leaves just as well as we can - they can see many talented older stars being passed over for the younger and more popular, not in isolated instances but in every troupe. Who would want to stay in an environment where you feel like your position is constantly insecure, for reasons that are out of your control?
For Yumiko I suspect this is simply a way to save face - rather than wait to be passed over by Kimu, she can leave before Mizu and receive a lot of attention, adulation, and outsize commemoration before she goes. It's not a bad deal.
anthy1306: hey youanthy1306 on December 15th, 2009 09:09 pm (UTC)
this might be even right.
In that case, Yumiko wins, but still...argh, I don't get all that policy around it!
I just see, it seems so unfair to those, who worked so hard for....."nothing" is not the right words, but it is a pity....
lliri_blanclliri_blanc on December 15th, 2009 10:41 pm (UTC)
Please, you're talking to a Ryouga Haruhi club member. I'm honestly going to hate them forever for what they've done - it's disrespectful and unfair.

I don't know if it makes me feel better or worse that Ahi's not the only one that this is happening to this year. Certainly Yumiko is getting out better than most.
anthy1306: oh really?anthy1306 on December 16th, 2009 07:57 am (UTC)
OH!!!
Then enough said! Ahi is a perfect example for what's going totally WRONG in this company! I can totally understand her and would have done the same.
Good exapmle really, even if is still a little different to Yumiko's situation.....gaaaaargh....
michiru42: Surprised Alexielmichiru42 on December 15th, 2009 10:08 pm (UTC)
But as far as popularity goes, Yumiko is pretty much on top of the nibante. Sure she'd be passed up for a younger star, if the younger star sold better. But since Kimu doesn't seem to sell better than Yumiko, and Yumiko is more popular, that's why I'm confused.
lliri_blanclliri_blanc on December 15th, 2009 10:45 pm (UTC)
That's the thing, I think the old standard of popularity - who has the biggest and most devoted fanclub - no longer applies as much. Hell, on Sunday, Ahi pulled 60 people at iride - twice as much as Masaki pulled and then some. Even considering that it was taidan ochakai, I think it's a fair guess to say that Ahi's club is still bigger than Masaki's, and Yumiko's is bigger than (or the same size as) Kimu's, and Nagina Ruumi and Makaze Suzuho's clubs were negligible before they started being pushed.
But, and I think we got an important confirmation of this in the Time Magazine article talking about the declining attendance at Takarazuka and the attendant push to make the company more "mainstream" (read: younger and trendier), the company is actively looking for stars who better fit the pop cultural zeitgeist and thus have the ability to pull in a broader base of fans among the casual audience and the audience they're looking to create.
Definitely, seen in this lens, Kimu is the "better" choice, and I'm sure Yumiko knew that she was going to be passed up.

There's still someone like, say, Yuuhi, whose club is just so freaking massive that they can't be ignored, but for those who are on the edge, I'm sure the company is definitely leaning towards young and cute much more.
ruderal_species: BeruBara You're Doing It Wrongruderal_species on December 16th, 2009 12:02 am (UTC)
I think the old standard of popularity - who has the biggest and most devoted fanclub

I hope this won't sound like oldie fan being *too* condescending ;), but I think it's cute how people who've come into the fandom in the last few years think that somehow things used to be different than they are now.

Hankyu has *always* been pushing the stars *they* like and there has *always* been just this sort of drama. I think we just don't understand it until we reach a certain point in our fandom. (Personally, I used to believe that everything made sense in the late 90's, and didn't fall apart until early 00's with new senka...)

Look back at the mid-90's and the whole Amami Yuuki thing. Heck, look at Touko taking until almost 2007 to become top when her fanclub has been HUGE *FOREVER*.

(Also, a minor point, but having watched Makaze's stellar rise live and in person, I would say she's a case of someone becoming popular and *then* being pushed. Her club formed this year because before that she was too young to have one.)
michiru42: Sailor Neptunemichiru42 on December 16th, 2009 01:32 am (UTC)
You have a point. I remember in the "young musumeyaku star" guide, our Aihara Mika was featured, even though she had yet to land a single significant role. It wasn't until a year before she made top that she first got some time on stage, which suggests the company knew all along she was going to be top, whether anyone knew who she was or not.

And whether Yumiko became a star or not, her fan club would keep coming to see her plays out of loyalty, so business-wise it really wouldn't matter if they made her top. It WILL matter if all her fans get mad and stop coming, but...
lliri_blanclliri_blanc on December 16th, 2009 04:26 am (UTC)
It WILL matter if all her fans get mad and stop coming, but...
Which is exactly why she's getting a dinner show and a sayonara show - they can't afford to piss off her fans, they're too big a customer base.

As for the Time article, it was linked on the comm a few months back. I have no desire to dig through the archives, though, sorry. ^_^;
ruderal_species: Yumiko Earsruderal_species on December 17th, 2009 01:48 am (UTC)
I remember in the "young musumeyaku star" guide, our Aihara Mika was featured, even though she had yet to land a single significant role.

I think the musumeyaku that get pushed is even more the work of the mysterious Hankyu cabal than even that for otokoyaku. I've given up on understanding it, just try to enjoy it when the one's I like get some stage time. *rolls eyes*

And whether Yumiko became a star or not, her fan club would keep coming to see her plays out of loyalty, so business-wise it really wouldn't matter if they made her top.

In terms of business-sense, what's more at stake is do they think Yumiko would draw NON club people. I've adored Yumiko for years, but I think her sweet presence doesn't have the sort of instant charisma that draws in most casual fans in a moment. :/

It WILL matter if all her fans get mad and stop coming, but...

It would be a shame if that happened, especially considering Yumiko's lifelong love of Takarazuka, all that she's done over the years, and how happy she's seemed recently in Snow Troupe.

And, er, having recently been part of a large club that dissolved... most people move on. Even the ones you don't think will. Less than 3 months later, half the people I knew from my old club were "supporting" someone else.
michiru42: AS Kissmichiru42 on December 16th, 2009 01:37 am (UTC)
Interesting...what Time Magazine article? You're right, if business is in trouble, then they might be taking a longer view.

Thanks, I've been wondering about this for awhile...
Tellychan: dorksailortelevator on December 16th, 2009 02:41 pm (UTC)
I've not yet been able to collect my thoughts about this into anything that would make sense, but I can say that Yumiko-sans fanclub is bigger than Kei-chans. Obv I'm not sure about the actual number of either club, but attendance wise it's probably *thinks hard* about a third bigger. Ish? At least in Tokyo it was always bigger than us. :)
inbuninbuinbuninbu on December 15th, 2009 10:32 pm (UTC)
I'm just confused in general. And surprised. And shocked. What a great shame we won't get to see & hear more of Yumiko-chan. She has an awesome singing voice that can effortlessly fill the whole auditorium. Often if Siennes're lacking anything it's singing ability but that is one thing she definately has as a major talent so it's a shame to see someone who can actually sing going too soon! T_____T
K: MOhappy_riceball on December 16th, 2009 03:24 am (UTC)
Too distraught to have any thoughts right now, but you bringing up Chie making Top yet Yumiko not does strike a cord in me, and... ugh. Hankyu. *goes back to box of tissues*
Es ist Zeit zu Leben.: Yumiko // Beware of vicious nerd!!violet_tango on December 17th, 2009 11:37 am (UTC)
Stupid Hankyu and its stupid "40 years old" rule preventing Yumiko from making top.

But Yumiko is only 35...?

(Sorry because of icon T_T my two Yumiko icons are both extreme mood icons.)
Julie: kazu thinkwao_wao on December 17th, 2009 01:21 pm (UTC)
There goes my theory, then. I guess Gen is right?